She had 10+ tutors for TOEFL… and finally got S26-28

Hi there. I’m Jaime Miller, the TOEFL Breakthrough Coach. And I’m super excited because today we are having an interview with one of my success stories from 2020. She is a French powerhouse who spent a really long time changing her accent. And these kinds of interviews are really special because a lot of people who finished with the TOEFL test feel pretty shy, or they just, you know, don’t… they’re ready to just move forward with their life. So when we get the opportunity to talk with somebody like this, it’s a real treat. And I’ve got lots of questions that I want to ask you about your entire journey with TOEFL, how you ended up choosing to study with me and what some of the challenges were before and your final scores. So let’s just start MJ. Cause I always called you MJ. I think I had some Marie’s and it was easier for me not to say like Marie, Marie-Jeanne. So I was like, MJ, but MJ here. So just tell us a little bit of background about yourself. How did you find yourself in America studying for TOEFL? So I grew up in France and in 2017 in August. I moved to the United States because of my husband’s job. And so he got a position at UCSD, so in San Diego. And I moved there with my son and at that time I didn’t speak English at all. So You didn’t study it in school. So I studied for five years when I was in middle and high school, but I never practiced after. I mean, I remember high school, French classes, it was like, Jaime, you know, like that’s pretty basic stuff. It, when you move in the country and you want to use it to speak, and it was like so long time ago and in France we don’t speak English. We only use French, so I never use it. And when I moved to the United States, I remember when I, when I arrived in the airport of Los Angeles, I had to ask where I can take the shuttle to take the car. And just this question, the people didn’t understand me. And it was so frustrating. Jaime: Right, right. Yeah. It’s, it’s so tough. I mean, I had that experience when I moved to Turkey and I got off the airplane and I knew like apple, fork, and jump in Turkish, which isn’t enough to do anything. Like I didn’t know how to ask for directions. So I mean, I can definitely understand the number of times that I cried. I was just so frustrated all the time. It’s very difficult. It’s super difficult. So then though you had to get this advanced score because obviously nobody wants to improve their English to this level. Like they, you know, they’re, they’re kind of forced into it by the national board of pharmacy in your case, I guess. MJ: Yeah. In France, I was a pharmacist so I am a pharmacist from France. If I wanted to be able to work at the pharmacies here in the United States, I had to, to pass the TOEFL with 26 in speaking and 20, 24 in writing. And I have also reading 22 and listening 21, but this was not a big deal for me. It wasn’t right. Jaime: Let’s just cut to the chase. Cause I think we were talking about how everybody like, likes to know the results. Show us like your most recent score report. We were joking about this before, because like my photo on here is pretty terrible there. But if we’re in the game of proving our scores, there’s mine, you’ve got yours. This is my picture. That was the day that was the, move it down a teeny bit. So that was just December 12th. Yeah. Awesome. Speaking 26, although your highest speaking score was 28, right with you. Well, you worked really hard. I mean, that’s the thing. It’s teamwork. That’s what I always say. It’s always about teamwork, so you’re totally done, but let’s just rewind. Let’s go back to the past. You started taking the TOEFL test and from the data that you know, I keep on, on all my students, I know that you originally, it looks like your early attempts with TOEFL were pretty good. Your reading was always excellent. Yeah. So what I did is, so I, I write in August 27th, 2017, and what I did is I took ESL classes for eight months in a community college. And after eight months, I studied two two two Saturday morning TOEFL classes. And so at the community college yeah. With the community college. Gotcha. I did that because it was very cheap. And at that time I thought that I can beat the TOEFL, but don’t spend a lot of money. And I took this class, but it was just like an introduction to the TOEFL. So they just explain how the listening, the reading, the speaking part, you know, only it was like three hours every Saturday. So it was not very useful for me. How many students were in those classes? I think somewhere maybe 20, all those students was like me, pharmacist or nurse, and we really needed a high score. So we were very high motivated. But the, the teacher from the community college was, she was very nice, but it was the first time she had to do this class. So she was learning in the same time with us. Yeah. That’s hard. Yeah. It was not a good fit for me. So after that, I decided to register to a private school, so to pay for it. And I did two months of this private school. So it was like every day, five hours a day. So… Was it just English or was it so it wasn’t TOEFL focused. Oh, it was for TOEFL. So these class, the school was for English, but they had a specific class for TOEFL, but the program is in this kind of school, private school. A lot of students are there only for the visa because they need a visa student to stay in the United States. So they were not very motivated on the class and the teacher was good, but the class was so huge. I think we were like 50 students on it. So for the feedback, like for the speaking, I never had a feedback about my speaking and for the writing, the feedback was not very good, but it was good for me for the listening and the reading. So this is part of how like early on you developed yeah. These abilities, those have always been super good and all your writing also. Yeah. Also I did a lot of TPO for the reading and listening like, we’ll have the feedback, like I’m stumped. Right, right, right. Okay. And it looks like speaking was always the problem. It was like not really changing. So that must’ve been frustrating. I mean, July, July, 2018 here a year later, basically, you know, your score had fluctuated a little, but it hadn’t really changed. And then December, 2019, like again, not much had really changed. You were still sort of stuck. So like focused specifically on speaking what, like how did you keep working on that? Or like, what were you trying to do? So what I did is, so when I was taking this two months of private school, so the morning I was with this very huge class and the afternoon, I had one hour of private one-on-one lesson with a teacher. But the problem is, this teacher, she was very nice, but she didn’t realize was what is a 26 in speaking. So she didn’t focus on my pronunciation, my intonation. And you never worked on that in classes. Yeah. Okay. Classes and she only focused on the fluency. Like you have to speak fast and don’t do some pose when you speak on this kind of stuff and you have to use to be used to the, the format of the test, only that. So after the first time I took the TOEFL in July, I decided to, to register with a private coach specialized for TOEFL speaking 26+. And I did with him until August. I think the, what is the next score I did? So I, I like… So it was like August to December, basically. So I think you’re saying that here in 2019, this is when you ended up registering, this is when you registered with that other. So I register with, so the first, the July 2018 was, was my first score after the two months of the private school during the, during July, 2018 to until the, I think I, till August, 2019, I did with the private coach. And since to him, I increased my writing. So, because I had you see the first time I had 21 in writing and I needed 24. Yeah. So, yeah. Good. So that changed. So he helped you out and you were able to get that. Yeah. Yeah. And I increased a little of my speaking, but you see, it’s like, I increased 22 to 24, but after I went down and it was like going between, so after that, I decided to focus on my pronunciation. So after I did all these tests with him, he told me that he didn’t want to continue with me because he didn’t know what to do. And I had to focus on my pronunciation. So I try to find a way about that. So I start to… Okay, so this is when, so it was because of what he told you. Yeah. So it was kind of like around here, I think, are you saying it was after that June test that you discovered this is the place that you need to put your energy at this point? Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. And I studied to, to take pronunciation lesson. So also at that time I gave birth too, so it was like very different I had a lot going on. Yeah. That’s hard. Well, and I want to say also that the, the pregnancy hormones that a woman’s body has to deal with during that time, make it a lot harder to form long-term memories and to learn stuff. So I think that that also could be part of the challenge of what you were dealing with at that point, there were times when like women come to me and they’re like, I’m going to have a baby. And I’m like, that’s awesome. Congratulations. I’ll see you in 12 months. Like, you know, because you know, there’s such a limited amount that you can do when you’re going through that. It’s like, it’s, it’s tough. You’re, you know, you can want to focus, but like your body is doing something also. It’s hard to argue with that. Okay. So you had pregnancy? Yeah. Lots of stuff. Okay. All right. So I decided to focus on my pronunciation and I took, so this is like, I’m saying I, I had a newborn and I took twice a day pronunciation classes. Wow. I did it in italki. I did like morning, evening classes when my baby was sleeping and I did that until I registered to your class. Okay. So you can see it was not working because you see my speaking score didn’t increase. Just out of curiosity. I’m just wondering, like how many different –cause that–if you were doing morning and evening classes, I mean, I would not be able, even if somebody wanted to spend that much time with me every day or every week, I could not teach one student that much. So how many italki teachers did you have? I don’t know, but more than 10, I can say more than 10. And they were all TOEFL teacher. Okay. So it was like TOEFL pronunciation tutors? Yeah. Okay. Whew. That’s a lot. Were they giving you homework? Not often because you know, it’s italki you book, lesson by lesson. So they don’t, they, yeah. You don’t have a very strong feeling of following the class. It’s only like class by class. You’re just trying it, you like fly in, fly out. It’s not flying, but they don’t know if you were in another class with them. So they don’t give you homework. But I had some, some italki italki teacher I booked like every, every week or two or, or twice, twice a week. And, but no, they didn’t give me just maybe one or, yeah. So not much homework. All right. So, so when you were practicing to improve your English, it was happening inside the lesson and you weren’t following up with that, or you weren’t necessarily, like there was no process for changing your accent. It was just like, whatever we do in class fingers crossed, hopefully that leads to something. But yeah, it wasn’t really though. So I think what’s important. What I want to highlight here is that when you came and started with the ESA Method classes, you were familiar with the pronunciation symbols. I’m imagining, I mean, you knew. Oh, you weren’t familiar with the vowel sounds and stuff like that? No, you were first one to… Wait, hang on, hang on, wait a second. I’m like kind of shocked though. Sorry, I’m just going to pull open something from like the classes that we had though. So you, you didn’t use any, like, there were no vowel symbols? Well, maybe that’s one of the reasons why something started to change. I mean, okay. All right. So then just compare, because I, I’m going to ask you to talk about what the differences were, because we know that like, basically you were trying, nothing was really changing. In February, you said it was in February, you joined those classes and then we started private lessons after the, after you got the kind of essential, basic information from there. And like within a year, I mean, you were done actually, well, February, I’m terrible at math. Yeah. June, July, August, September, November. Yeah. So it was like less than 10 months. And then I took two months off vacation during the summer. Yeah. So, okay, so you…okay. So what would you say were like the biggest differences between the way that I was focusing on accent neutralization as a system compared to what you were getting from over 10, italki teachers? So I’m an older coach too, because I had coached before. And so the big difference was you use the symbol, vocal maps, sound all this for the pronunciation. And also you gave me a very, very useful tool. It was with the to know where we can, we have to put emphasis. Oh, for syllable stress. Yeah. Well, for the syllables and before that, I asked a lot. I think I asked to every teacher I had, how can I know where I have to put the emphasis? And their answer was always, you will know, like by the time you have to listen to people, podcast. And these tools were so useful because for the first time I was able to work by myself on emphasis, you know, and just like, I had a word in my mind, I said, Oh, where I have to put the emphasis. Okay. dictionary. Oh, it’s here. And this was so useful. I’m just like, sorry. Sometimes I have disagreements with other tutors about like what we do and how we work with people. I, I, I’m a little shocked. I didn’t know that. I think the thing that is like the most shocking for me is that they didn’t use any symbols with you at all. And I, but I’m also really shocked that they would tell you that, like, you’ll just know where to put the emphasis. I remember when I was doing one of my teaching certification courses, we were sitting there. It was a bunch of us English teachers. And we had to practice this issue of syllable stress. And where does it go? These are English teachers. It was like 50% of the class was wrong about where to put the emphasis. I mean, it’s like, it’s not like it’s always easy, you know, even when you’re focusing on it and you’re a teacher and you’re trying to explain it to somebody and there are times even for myself, I still sometimes check because like, I, I think I know the answer, but then like, I want to get that confirmation that I’m right. And even, I will look at the same tool that I told you to use, but I just, I, yeah, I can see why you were in a tough spot basically. Like, that’s pretty hard because I mean, there wasn’t really any system, basically. It was like, there was no system it’s just like good luck and hope it works out for you. And you just have to practice. Just keep practicing. Yeah. Just keep practicing. Okay. Wow. All right. Okay. Any other differences that you found between them? So the very big differences was… So the very big difference difference was when, when I, when I sent you a feed–like an exercise or like a speaking task 1 or task 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So most of me ah, sorry. That’s okay. Don’t worry about it. It’s fine. Yeah. I mean, hey, congratulations. Since passing TOEFL, you’re now working and now you are learning Spanish so that you can talk to your nanny. I mean, that’s like, these are goals. This is good. Yeah. I bow to you. You’re doing an amazing job. So what I said. Yeah. So the good thing was the thing you did very different. And it was very useful for me is when I, when I sent you task 1 or task 2 or whatever, and my other teacher, they just say, Oh, it’s good. Maybe you have to work a little more, this or this, but they never take time. Like you did word by word, and you will try to focus on my pronunciation, on my emphasis word by word. And you can need this feedback very, very detailed, very detailed, or I don’t know how to do that. Detailed. And also you were very picky about the grammar mistakes and the pronunciation mistakes and all the stuff. And you had the color code. And it was very useful for me to do these flashcards and you all the protocol after, because you know, the problem is when you don’t do this very picky job. So it’s take a lot of time. I know that It does take a lot of time. Yeah. I mean, you don’t know where you have to focus on for your grammar, for your pronunciation, for your, I don’t know, spelling mistake. So you were getting detailed feedback. I, so one of the things like when everybody starts the program with me, we always do a diagnostic test at the beginning so that we can get a snapshot of like your baseline and where you are. Do you remember your reaction? The first time you opened that document and you saw the highlights and the color code and, and my feedback on there, like, what was your reaction to that document? So at the beginning, it’s very frustrating because you feel that your English is so bad. You you want to like say, Oh, no, no, I don’t want to listen to her. This is too bad. I can’t be like that. And after you start to think, Oh, you have to focus on it. This is right. You did all this mistake. So the good thing is you explain to me how to do the flashcard and to work on it. And so at the beginning, I only had like 10 flashcards and after 20, 30, 40, 100. So it sounds like you went through the seven stages of grief. It’s like the, the shock, the anger, the denial, and then finally, like the acceptance of it, which I can understand. I mean, because you were studying for years and you were paying people to give you feedback. I mean, how did you feel about that? Like, was there any part of you that was just like angry or just like super frustrated? Like, why did it take so long to get this kind of, I feel like that’s, I feel like that’s how I know myself as a customer. Like, I feel like that would be my thing. I’d just be like, ah, I was, I was frustrating a lot because I knew that it was something about my accent, but I was frustrated because I didn’t find a teacher who can explain me how to improve my accent. I, I remember I felt like they were, we were not a good fit with the other teachers, even though they try their best, they didn’t have these tools. So it was not helpful for me. Well, the tools that you got as part of the program or something that took me a long time to develop you and I created them because I had for years students like you, that really wanted this improvement. Like you’re incredibly motivated. You’re very ambitious. You’re putting the time in, you’re investing energy, you’re paying for lessons. You want it like really badly. Yeah. And so there’s, there are a lot of people that are in that situation where you’re hungry for it. You want your career on the other side, you know, but you’ve never had that level of accuracy before. And so when I was comparing like that group of people to the students that were easily getting 26 or 27 on speaking, the big thing was just that difference in accuracy. You know, like having a clearer, not, not no accent. I mean, like, you know, people still have an accent when they get a 26 or a 27, but there’s certain. Yeah. But there’s certain, but it’s very neutral. It’s clear, you know? And like when you’re talking, you know, we understand you. And I remember when you came and started with me, there was a part of me where I was like, Oh, well, we’ll see what happens with MJ. Like, we’ll just, we’ll see, you know, because there were, there were a lot categories of vowel sounds and, you know, some consonants that you were struggling with and you were polishing a lot of aspects. And I think that what’s so why I’m so excited to share your success with people is because I know that when I did your first diagnostic score analysis, and I looked at that, like, you had a lot of characteristics that a lot of people have when they come to me. And so it’s totally possible to change this, but like, you need that desire. The motivation that you brought is the unique thing. That’s the thing that sets you apart. And it’s the reason why you were successful. But, you know, over the years, like I had students that were like you, and, and I was looking for tools from my own teacher training, trying to understand, you know, how do we take these issues where like, you’re just accidentally repeating the wrong thing over and over again. And like, you know, you know that it’s wrong intellectually, but how do you change that habit? And I was so surprised when I found out from my mentors in the teaching community that as a community, we really have no way of dealing with that. You know? I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the movie, The Wizard of Oz before. Dorothy, the wizard of Oz? No. Okay. Her little red shoes. And she goes like with the tin man. No? All right. Anyway, so yeah, you ever that one? It’s like this, the old American movie, I mean, yeah, whatever cultural imperialism, it’s good that you don’t know about it. Anyway, there’s this point in the movie where like, there’s this character who’s really scary and really powerful and like knows everything. And in this moment in the movie we discover that it’s just a guy behind a curtain. Like, it’s not actually, he’s not actually that powerful. He’s not actually that smart. He doesn’t actually know that many things. And for me, like when I discovered that, like my industry did not have answers about how to help people, like you, I had that moment where I was like, Oh my God, like, why? Like who’s driving this bus, like who is flying this plane? And who’s in charge around here, who’s in charge? Because like, if we can’t deal with these fossilized errors, like if students are not learning tools to increase their accuracy, when they’re speaking spontaneously, what are we doing as an industry? Who are we kidding? If we think that we’re like doing anything, it’s like, what is the point of all of this? You know? And, and so when I discovered this truth about my industry, it gave me so much permission to start experimenting because I thought, okay, well, if no one is flying this plane towards the destination that I need to go in, then I guess I’m going to start to try to fly this plane in that direction. You know? And, and what we developed over time, like the, you know, the memory pouches that you used and using the symbols in certain ways and like the protocols, the study protocols, I think that that’s really an essential part of it, but I, but I mean, at the same time, like, I’m not surprised that other people, teachers aren’t doing this, because I know that like, what I’m doing, I created from scratch basically, you know, I had to create it from scratch. Cause it, it didn’t exist. Like as far as I know, there’s no teacher training school that you can go to, you know, other than the one that I tried to start and people weren’t very interested in that, but I mean, I don’t know where you go to, to learn this stuff. So yeah. I mean, it’s just, it’s unfortunate because I think that it’s like, people are like, you are the ones who get stuck in that situation. And the problem is that like the tutors don’t know what to do with you. Cause you’re motivated as hell. The big problem is I was very motivated. I wanted to have this so badly, but even though I had all this motivate, motivation, I didn’t reach my goal because I didn’t have, I didn’t, I didn’t have these tools. And these protocols, and you, the teacher, because even though you have all these tools and the protocols, you need somebody to give you to motivate. And to meet with you once a week to say, okay, you did good for that. And we have to focus on this one and you know, So you use the protocols. I think that’s kind of an unusual thing. Right? So when, when people sign up, they get like these protocols and how would you describe the protocol? Like what do you feel like you were going to compare that to something like, I don’t know, is it like it’s a recipe or it’s like a standard operating procedure that you might get if you were working in a pharmacy they’re like fill a prescription like this step one, step two, step three. Like what? It’s very determined, but also it’s specific for TOEFL. So I think if you follow these protocols, you will improve very fast. And for me it was good because I followed this protocol the day where I was, I hadn’t listened with you. So I, I was able to practice by myself to practice very efficiently, you know? Yeah. And that’s another part that is really important to highlight where you brought that to the table, because I can give the protocol, but are people going to do it? You know? And the fact is that out of the, like, you know, like, let’s say if you’re spending 10 to 15 hours a week, like, I think you, you must have been putting in, you know, something in that range. Yeah. Or do you think you were putting more than 15, 10 or 15? I, It depended on the day because I was working during the nap time of my baby. Right. Yeah. You still had children still. And I think, I, at least I did two, yeah. Two hours every day. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that can easily become 10 hours a week, 12 hours a week. Yeah. So the fact is that your motivation and your dedication was a critical component of that because sometimes there’s people who come to lessons with me and they think, Oh, if I pay her, it fixes itself. And I’m like, no, you still have a lot to do. You know, like I’m more like the GPS navigation system, but you’ve got to keep driving. You know, you’ve got to keep following the route essentially. Cause otherwise it’s not, you know, you’re never going to arrive and, but in you, you put the time in, you know, so that’s really what I look at when I see, you know, why were you successful. That motivation that you brought, incredible determination, and the willingness to just keep going. You know? So I think the difference was you were always here to listen to me, you were aware of where I am in my journey. You know? So like we did some, some protocols and after we moved to another one and like, it’s not like sometimes you feel that at the beginning of, of the, of the program, you are very, very motivated. But after you feel like the teacher doesn’t follow you, so you make your motivation go down and down and down, or maybe the teacher just say, Oh, keep going, keep going, do the protocols. But with you, it was very different because every time we had a lesson, you switch something on my protocols. So we focused on something specific. So it was not boring. And also I felt like I was the only student because it was so, so focused on me, on my progress that I felt like, you know, all about me, about my, my, my, what I did during the week, my, my exercise I sent to you and all this. And this was very important for me because I, I didn’t feel like I’m alone on this. We were together. Yeah. Well, the teamwork is a really huge part of that. But I think also just like the, I talk, I’ve been talking about it a lot more as this concept, like being failure, resilient, like there’s times when you’re going to fail, you know, and you’ve got to bounce back from that. And you definitely showed that failure resilience, you know, one of the things that happened to you here, this was like, after we’d started taking lessons. Cause I, cause like you got that 28 and then there was this bounce and the bounce or that fluctuation scares a lot of people, frustrates a lot of people, depresses a lot of people. Some people give up at that point, you know, and I’ve worked with students before where they are just so close. Cause like, I can just tell when somebody is reaching that point and you’ve got to take your confidence and you have to take your accuracy into the test center, that’s a challenge, you know? And sometimes it’s not always successful the first time, but you know, if we stick with it, we’ll get there. I’m really confident that we’re going to get there. But sometimes students can’t handle how, how challenging that end is. And you did it, you know, like you did it. And I know that after your score dropped to like a 24 or 23, we had some conversations. Cause you were just like, Oh my God, like, is, it is not real, you know, did I lose it? It’s like, no, you didn’t lose it. You know, it’s not lost, but it’s definitely teamwork. So I think that it really just speaks to what you put in as well. You know, you use the system and like we clicked and we were compatible. It was a good fit with the two of us. And like, And at that time I remember every time I went to the TOEFL and I didn’t get the score I needed, I had the lesson with you the week after. And every lesson you gave me a very good advice. And it was like, I came to the lesson with a problem and you just say, Oh, we will do that. Then I was like, Oh my God. Yeah. Well, I think that’s the benefit of me having done this for like almost 11 years. I came probably about like 11 years at this point, but you’re, so you’re dealing with it for the first time. You’re totally overwhelmed. You’re like, how do I handle this? And I’m like, Oh, but we’ve solved this before. Like this can be solved. This can be handled. So all that’s good. Yeah. Yeah. It was. And also it was very concrete that I went and I said, okay, I had a problem with my neighbor because he spoke slowly, okay, we will do this on this. And you will practice with this and done. Yeah. We handled it. Yeah. Yeah. Well you gotta be open to it. I mean, I think it’s, yeah, it was good. It worked out very well. I’m very, I’m very happy for you. I’m, I’m proud of what we did together. I think it’s awesome. And I’m grateful that you’ve shared all of this information so that we can know about it. I hope that when people listen to what you’ve gone through with, you know, over 10 pronunciation italki tutors and all of these different approaches to it. I’m hoping that people will be persuaded to save the time and the money, And the money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The money, so much frustration too. Just, I think it was what I thought was my husband two weeks ago. I, I try to calculate how much I spent for the TOEFL and I can say, I think it’s more than $10,000. Yeah. You would not be the first person to spend that money. Yes. For the test. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it, it happens because part of it is that when someone is as determined as you are, like you’re going to pass, right. And there’s a certain type of student that will not ever give up. They are the ones who can spend the most money because if they’re trying to save money by doing the cheap thing, but they’re gonna keep going until they get the result that they want. You know, if you’re studying with like tutors that don’t know how to get results or yeah. I mean, it ends up being very expensive. Yeah. Yeah. This is the, the worst part. When you want, you want, you try to save money that in the long-term you spend a lot, much more so. Yeah. Yeah. That’s, I mean, that can be really, really tough and really painful. So what do you think, I mean, when you found my program on the internet, like, did you have any hesitation because when somebody has tried as many different things, as you have tried, it is natural to become suspicious and cynical and to doubt and to think on no way, like that’s not going to work. Yeah. So like what was reaction? Cause you’d already tried 11, 12, however many other teachers and you weren’t getting results. So I watch your video. I don’t remember which one, because you have a lot, but I still got to watch two or three videos of you, and I was surprised that how professional you were, how, how aware you were about the TOEFL and the program of the students. Because I felt like you really realized what is the problems. What are the problems? And also it’s when you spoke about all the fossilized mistakes and the pronunciation, intonation, and also you said in one of your video, you said that it takes time. Like, I remember you said 8 to, to 10 months that it’s work. And when you said that I was, yeah, this is not bullshit. It’s true. It takes time. Right. It’s a technique and you have to work on it. I felt like this is so serious. Is that just like, I can do it, come with me. Hmm. Yeah. And I remember I had a call with you just after I, I watched your program and I booked a call with you and the consultation, the consultation. Yeah. Now at that time, my daughter was very young. She was a newborn and I was very stressed because I felt like with all this, with the newborn and all the work I have to do at home, I will not able to do it. And you said that you, the most successful students who are you have is stay-at-home mothers. This was so motivating for me because I felt that I can do it. And you did. And we have the awesome photos to prove it. I think your picture is way better than mine is. Your photo is way better. I don’t know. I mean, look at my dumb little face. You look happy and cool in that photo. You know, you got the jacket. It’s good. Looking good. Oh my gosh. Well, so you’re moving forward. Tell us a little bit about your exciting job situation right now, because you’ve got some good stuff to celebrate. So, so I got the TOEFL in December and I got the job right now. So at the pharmacist intern, so I can start my internship too, to get my license at the pharmacist. So I got two positions. One is in a health center for low income people. And I’m very excited for that because it’s a nonprofit organization and it’s what, it was one of my dreams to work for a nonprofit organization. And the other one is for Dana-Farber. And it’s a huge hospital, very, very famous about all the cancer and chemotherapy. And I told you that they had a Nobel prize last year. That’s so amazing. That’s so awesome. Like my life is back. Indeed. It totally is. It is. It is. And you’re moving on to the new problems of, you’re not a stay-at-home mom anymore. Like you got a nanny, you’re out dealing with all that stuff. It’s just so inspiring. And I think especially right now, because I know that with the Corona virus situation, obviously so many people feel like it just, you know, it knocked us down and we really need those inspiring stories that even during these times, good things are possible. Even during this times, you can make this kind of progress and improvement in your life. So thank you so much for sharing such an awesome message with us today. Yeah. Is there any like last word of advice that you would want to give before we wrap up? Yeah. Trust Jaime and do the protocols. I love it. Thank you so much. I can’t wait to see what keeps happening for you. It’s going to be very exciting. Thank you. Thank you.